| Kevin: Someone who's hearing this call, they have an | | | | great." Okay, would you like the mountain stream to be |
| interest in water and the different aspects of water, | | | | artistic, sound beautiful, relaxing and, hey we'll throw a |
| what it can do, how does someone embrace this kind | | | | heart pulse in as well just as added measure. So |
| of philosophy and use it for - there's a higher | | | | people have these. They get five, seven Flow Forms |
| consciousness, I guess. | | | | set up by their swimming pool and suddenly the |
| Iain: Well, I think the world definitely needs a higher | | | | water's soft and silky and sparkly and feels fresh and |
| consciousness. That's self evident. So how we find | | | | there's just the need to put the same amount of |
| that is a marvelous dynamic drama and it's very | | | | chlorine in it. Of course, we tell people to test it and do |
| important, central. But we've worked our group in our | | | | everything and watch their health and all the legal |
| very simple companies and their research institutes | | | | issues. |
| have worked mostly privately and we got to a point | | | | Kevin: Sure. |
| and then our government did help us occasionally, | | | | Iain: Some folk have natural swimming pools so it looks |
| private corporations would help us if there was | | | | like a mountain pond. They've got trees it and filtration |
| someone in there who understood what we were | | | | and it gets run through a biological filter, reeds and |
| talking about and appreciated what we were doing. | | | | rushes and Flow Forms.. So that's fun. We can do that. |
| So turning around in the last five or six years, Kevin, | | | | It's another one of our 40 niche markets. And so we're |
| maybe a bit more, that suddenly thinking in the West is | | | | setting up also our business Nature Intelligence |
| changing so rapidly in a positive manner, thank | | | | International. My company, Design for Life, with my |
| goodness, and folk are not just giving us sick grins | | | | teams in New Zealand, we're joining forces |
| when we start talking about what we're doing. | | | | commercially with John Wilkes and his company in |
| Kevin: Right. | | | | England created a company called Nature Intelligence |
| Iain: That's how it used to be. "Oh, go hug a tree." You | | | | and we're just starting that company now in America |
| know, you're just talking about fairies but now they're | | | | and have interest from 7 or 8 different countries to |
| going "Oh, wow, really?" and "Tell me more," or "how | | | | start business there and there have been inquiries |
| can I find out more?" So we're in the process of | | | | from 53 countries now for Flow Forms over the last |
| setting up internet websites and ways of becoming | | | | 30 years. Two and half thousand, two thousand four |
| part of databases and being on the map soon. | | | | hundred or so projects have been completed in that |
| Kevin: Right. | | | | time. |
| Iain: So one way that folks could associate themselves | | | | Kevin: Wow. |
| with us is to go to Healing Wateri Institute on the | | | | Iain: We ready now with means of mass production |
| Internet and just a bit down the left, the sign up form | | | | which we've developed ceramics in Vietnam with |
| there and you get free autoresponder emails on the | | | | wonderful colleagues there and also a method of |
| creative secrets of water I send to you over a 10-12 | | | | rotational composite stone crafting, so we're ready to |
| week period, just explaining more on the sort of things | | | | mass produce and just got ourselves to this point with |
| that you and I have been discussing today. | | | | regard to the business and also our Healing Water |
| Kevin: Okay. | | | | Institutes in New Zealand and Britain and we're setting |
| Iain: So we were planning to develop that as a group | | | | one up in America. |
| of people who can find ways of helping around the | | | | Kevin: Okay and where do you see this in the future, |
| world in different ways. | | | | say 10, 15, 20 years. |
| Kevin: Now, what is your own practice with water? | | | | Iain: Well, I think we have a realistic approach. We |
| Are you experimenting with the Flow Forms for your | | | | estimate that - we are planning to sell hundreds of |
| own drinking consumption? | | | | thousands, if not millions of Flow Forms in the next |
| Iain: Oh, yes, I do. I also use them for my garden and | | | | 15-20 years and we've got a number of folk, some of |
| for treatment of catalytic materials to empower the | | | | them high-level international water consultants, coming |
| garden. | | | | to us saying "You're going to need hundreds of millions |
| Kevin: Let's talk about that a little bit. | | | | of dollars to gear up with the world need for Flow |
| Iain: Sorry, what's that? | | | | Forms once people realize what you're doing" and so |
| Kevin: Talk about that a little bit. | | | | we're happy with a few million to get that up and |
| Iain: That's the bionamics agriculture. | | | | going. But that was his point. He's saying "How about |
| Kevin: Okay. | | | | eco-villages?" You've got thirty thousand houses.. |
| Iain: And Rudolf Steiner gave a number of very | | | | They're being built all over the place now. When I'm |
| interesting recipes for developing extra life supporting | | | | going around, for instance, to places like this or spas or |
| capacity in the soil and one of them, in particular, is | | | | hotel chains, I've had someone else tell me also that |
| cow manure which gets placed into a cow horn which | | | | eco-villages, an engineer who's working in London. So |
| has a spiral and you leave it in the ground over winter | | | | say there's a town of thirty thousand houses all being |
| and in the spring, it has a remarkable quality where if | | | | built, everything's perfect, top level sustainability, and |
| you mix it rhythmically with water and spray that | | | | they go, "Well, of course, we've got to have Flow |
| water out over your property, the living organisms in | | | | Forms in there to enliven the water." |
| the soil respond in a truly remarkable way which is | | | | Kevin: Right, like if it's captured rain water? |
| now being scientifically proven and annotated over an | | | | Iain: Captured rain water, tap water, once the science |
| 80-year period. For instance, in India, it was the | | | | gets a bit clearer, we're just collating with a couple of |
| scientists at the agricultural colleges who first got most | | | | our top Ph.D. guys who are working with us collecting |
| excited about bionamics when it was introduced to | | | | more scientific research and more modern theoretical |
| them by Peter Proctor in New Zealand and who's | | | | basis for the way we work. We're up to 80 pages. It's |
| now in his 80's. And it spread from their scientific | | | | going to turn into 100 and we'll publish that. And this is |
| research into the villages and cooperatives. So we use | | | | scientific work that Ph.D. guys from top level |
| Flow Forms as part of that because of the increasing | | | | universities are prepared to put their name to. |
| capacity to support life. | | | | Kevin: Right. |
| Kevin: You use Flow Forms to mix? | | | | Iain: So when these sort of things are published, we |
| Iain: To stir the cow manure. We do drink - we run our | | | | bring all the marketing and the knowledge and the |
| tap water through Flow Forms to drink at home, but | | | | propensity to produce, all of that together. So our hope |
| primarily what's happened to me is, I've been a teacher | | | | is it's conceivable we get an engineering building group |
| over many years, but at the same time did Flow | | | | who says "Okay, we need three Flow Forms for each |
| Forms. I've worked with Flow Forms; I've been | | | | of the thirty thousand houses, when can you deliver?" |
| personally involved in 400-450 projects around the | | | | Kevin: Right. |
| Pacific. I've lived in New Zealand most of that time. | | | | Iain: So we get an order for ninety thousand Flow |
| Major projects are city centers, kindergartens, | | | | Forms and I think that's only a year or two away. |
| hospitals, therapeuticoms, many home gardens, ponds | | | | Kevin: That's great, that's great. |
| - it's remarkable what they do for a pond because | | | | Iain: We've been preparing for this for seven years |
| many people dig ponds and of course in nature, a | | | | now, Kevin. Our group down in New Zealand and |
| pond, unless it's a monsoon or been captured by flash | | | | John's excited about us and it's an exciting |
| flooding, has a stream. | | | | entrepreneurial venture combined with our research |
| Kevin: Right. | | | | and design. |
| Iain: And the stream keeps the pond alive. The pond | | | | Kevin: And how do you see it changing the people |
| can't move properly or have moving water coming | | | | who are living in those environments? |
| through it. Of course, it becomes stagnant and all sorts | | | | Iain: Sorry, I'm missing that. |
| of creatures like mosquitoes and malaria and what | | | | Kevin: How do you see it changing or affecting the |
| have you, so also algae. So we've got remarkable | | | | people who are living in those environments? |
| stories of introducing Flow Form-treated water to | | | | Iain: Well, it's very interesting. Again, this is anecdotal, but |
| ponds. | | | | we get people telling us "Hey, we can sleep better. |
| Kevin: And how does that happen? | | | | We're not just so stressed. We're just relaxing.." We |
| Iain: Even ponds that have had running water going into | | | | have already set them up in kindergartens, for |
| them then we just put a Flow Form into the running | | | | instance, and the kids just love them. Because you're |
| water and even then there's a remarkable change. | | | | feeling life is in your rhythmic system, in your heart and |
| Kevin: And how does -- | | | | in your chest, when - we live in such an arrhythmic out |
| Iain: There's been scientific research from Holland, | | | | of touch world, often, don't we, in cities and when |
| Sweden and many other situations. | | | | people consciously or unconsciously are in an |
| Kevin: You put it into the water source? How does | | | | environment which has a rhythmic sound, soft and |
| that happen? | | | | relaxing sort of environment, the airs change, the earth. |
| Iain: The Flow Form? | | | | Something pretty fundamental changes in them. I've |
| Kevin: Yeah. | | | | had some extraordinary statements from folk and |
| Iain: For instance, take swimming pools. We've got five | | | | kindergartens we get children who are a bit |
| or six swimming pools in New Zealand which have no | | | | overactive, they tend to calm down and focus on |
| chlorine use at all. Basically, your swimming pool is a | | | | what's happening in their marvelous little stream. And |
| captured body of water that gets taken out through a | | | | the kids who are a bit shy, come along and start to |
| filter and sort of pumped and whacked back into the | | | | talk and people cooperate. It's remarkable. It's just |
| pools. So it's not really helping the water a lot except | | | | simply remarkable. |
| chemically cleaning it and then, because of the | | | | Kevin: Well, I think that's probably a great way to end |
| pathogens that can develop in this water that doesn't | | | | this interview here. |
| support life, we throw in a ton of chlorine which kills off | | | | Iain: Well, indeed, there's - it's a huge topic and it's a |
| stuff and that also impacts the water quality. So the | | | | very exciting one. Water is the big issue, as you know, |
| water's basically an unhappy chappy in there. So I've | | | | with regards to your project putting all these things |
| never had anyone, if I say to them, "Would you like | | | | together. There are two billion people at the moment |
| water to go through a mountain stream." And | | | | who have daily problems getting fresh water for |
| everyone goes "Well, yeah, of course, that would be | | | | drinking, washing and cooking. |